Did you ever think you were made good? I feel I'm supposed I could take sweet victory I know this life meant for me why would you bet on Goliath when we got bet? David? Valuetainment given, value's contagious. This world of entrepreneurs, we can't. No value. They hate it. I run homie, look what I become. I'm the. I'm the one. So just a couple weeks ago, we saw this clip of a group of people representing an organization called Patriot Front, led by a man named Thomas Rousseau, and this video went viral. If we can play this clip. This is in DC. This is a couple. I think this was May 13. This thing got 11 million views and they're marching. A lot of people started asking questions. Why are these guys wearing a mask? Can we find out more about the founder? Are these guys tied to the Fed? Is this a fed thing that they're just kind of trying to manipulate to make it seem like a. Folks who are voting for Trump are part of white nationalists. And this is a ran by a leader who is known for his role as Patriot Front, a white nationalist and neo fascist organization in the US.

Now, we've read this many different places, so this prompted a couple different people to react to it. Rob, if you can, go to the bottom of the comment section on one of the other tweets where Elon Musk responded. So here's them. If you show the clip at the top. First, Wall Street Silver. The fact that the legacy media shows zero curiosity about unmasking these guys tells us 100% that these are federal agents or paid stooges of one of the agencies. The media has been instructed by the FBI or to just report that Patriot front exists. White supremacy, et cetera, et cetera. Again, pinning this against Trump. Ian Chung asked the question, does a phenomenal job himself. What's the deal with these patriot front guys vehicles? Their license plates are completely blank. Good question. On the bottom. Elon Musk asks questions, seems like they should be followed and unmasked. Why does the media or government care about. Why doesn't the media or government care about their identities go a little lower? Even Alex Jones responds, saying, if you look into the group they came out of, out of the events of Charlottesville, 2017, the former leader admitted to working for the Obama campaign.

I'm going to do a report on this anyways. This leads to even Joe talking about this on a podcast. You can play this clip. Can you raise the audio?

Where are these people organized? Out of nowhere. They pop out with the same size flags and same outfit on. Goose stepping. They're walking.

Not goose.

They. But, you know, walking in this at the same pace in a fucking orderly line, like, who's. Who organized this?

This is them on their bus.

I was trying to. I thought this was gonna turn to the video.

Them walk.

See the video of them walking? Is that the video? Them walking? They're linking to blog posts. How come they're all wearing the same clothes? Look at these guys. Where's the fat people? How come they're all wearing the same clothes?

Do that again. What the fuck is this?

Is that. Have you ever seen anything? Looks more like feds. Tell me that. Doesn't look like feds.

Asking. Good question. People are asking the same question, bro.

Look at this.

These guys are all runners. Okay? Where there's a clip of them going to the train, and then cops are standing right in front. We played this clip right there. Rob. You had it. And then. So that's them going away. Get all the way at the top, at the escalator. There's cops here preventing people from going down. Why are they being protected by the cops? Anyways, I got a few other things. I just have a lot of questions. And so we reached out to the founder, Thomas Rousseau. And, you know, he's been. Based on the things you read, he's been followed. And I don't even know. This is 2017. The FBI, who was on the FBI watch list? I think it's 2017 or 2016. It was early on. As a young man in high school. Yeah, in high school, he was being watched to see what he's going to be up to. And you've said a lot of interesting things. Number one, I was surprised that you said yes. So obviously, you'll answer all this stuff a lot of people want to know. My question for you is, why did you agree to do this interview?

I agreed to do the interview because it seemed like a great opportunity to clear the air about a lot of these things. There are a lot of these misconceptions. And you see, when you have a lot of the explanations on something which is very new, a lot of people do not know about Patriot Front. And when we do these big marches, one of the chief. The ends of the march is to inform a lot of people about what Patriot Front is. And during that realization process, you have a lot of confusion. But when we actually are able to sit down and able to have a conversation, you're a huge proponent of free speech. You're a huge proponent of people who love America. And I think we are extremely in common in those two things. Maybe we have a lot of differences about other things, but we believe in speaking, we believe in rational, for sure.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think this was a great opportunity to be able to clear the air and help.

Okay. What do you think about Joe Rogan, Elon Musk? What do you think about Joe Rogan, Elon Musk and Alex Jones?

What do I think about them personally?

Yeah. Just what do you think about them and what they've said and what they stand for generally?

So as far as Alex Jones, I think he has a lot of interesting theories about the world, and I think he's right about a lot of things. I think he is wrong about a few things. And, you know, one of them being Patriot Front.

Okay.

He even said when we were doing a march in Austin, he said that we were going around harassing children of color or something to that effect, which is not true. And Alex Jones should know that as somebody who a lot of people have said things about which are not true himself. But I have a lot of respect for any man who stands up in the political space and has a lot of slings and arrows thrown at him, especially for the ends of free speech. Elon Musk, in the same way, Patriot front is still banned on Twitter. I myself am still banned on Twitter, but I do believe Elon Musk has done something to enhance the amount of free speech on Twitter. And you could say he's interesting as an entrepreneur. I'm not a businessman. I watch some of your content about the EV's. I'm not qualified to speak on those matters. But Elon Musk, I think it's interesting in the realm of free speech and in business. Thirdly, Joe Rogan, I think he's an excellent entertainer. And in that clip, I believe if it was allowed to play a little bit longer, he does clarify.

He's not an authoritative source on this. He is an entertainer. And this is just his off the hip comments. And I even think it's a little bit complimentary, him pointing out how there's no fat people, because I'll take it if that's the only thing about us.

So, listen, man, so how well, what are the benefits package of the feds? Like, how well do they pay you, man? Like, is there, like, they don't pay me. They don't pay you?

Nope. Okay. I'm not a federal agent. I am not being paid by anybody. And actually, a lot.

Why do you think so many people that are trusted don't believe you?

I think it is partly astroturfed, I think, because it is so convenient, because when we do these big things, it is, we are presented to millions of new people because it is a spectacle. When we go out in March, when we have the drums and the banners and the uniforms and the masks, it is engineered to be something which is spectacular. It is very out of the ordinary and people watch it. And it's very easy for a lot of conservatives, I believe, not the ones here, but a lot of conservatives, to dismiss us by saying, that's not real, it's fake. You don't have to engage with these people. You don't have to engage with their ideas. You don't have to engage with the fact that the political landscape might be bigger than you previously thought. So it's very, it's an argument of convenience that they are also, a lot of people are worried about guilt by association because the left throws around words like white nationalist and neo fascist. And I haven't called myself those things, but the left throws around these labels wantonly. And a lot of people decide, okay, well, I'm going to stay away from anybody that left labels with those things.

But the thing is, these aren't real definitions. These are insults. They're labels to censor and silence people, you know, when they call you racist, when they call you a Nazi, when they call you all these things, and it's a lot easier for some people to say, hey, I'm not a racist. Those guys aren't even real, as opposed to saying, hey, you know, these are patriots. These are nationalists. They may not be like me. They may not agree with me on everything.

Yeah, but that's different, though. You're saying the left, you know, Musk is. Musk had a meeting with Trump the other day.

Well, Musk wasn't using those terms exactly.

No, I know, but Musk doesn't trust you and your camp based on what he's saying. Like, hey, let's investigate these guys. Joe Rogan is a very reasonable guy. That's a I agree guy. That's. And some may, even from the left are sitting there saying, why would Alex Jones criticize you and say you were tied to Obama, you know, and one of your founders was, you know, doing stuff with Obama campaign.

I know what he's talking about.

Tell me.

So Alex Jones is familiar with Charlottesville, and I believe what he's talking about is one of the organizers of Charlottesville, Jason Kessler, did publicly work for the Obama campaign at some point years before. But I have never worked for the Obama campaign. You can search for a million years. You'll never find a single statement of me ever supporting Obama. And Alex Jones said he would release a report on that matter in a week or two. I don't think it ever.

I think if he sees this, he will react to the same. So Jason Kessler, I just pulled it up, is an american neo Nazi, white supremacist, anthropologist.

I've never worked with him directly.

You've never worked with him directly?

No.

So you guys have never spoken, never done anything together? No.

Communication at various times at Charlottesville? Often.

What do you and him agree on, you and Jason Kessler?

I do not know the man personally. I don't have a list. He has changed his beliefs several times throughout his political career, to the best of my knowledge.

When's the last time you spoke to him? Is there an allegiance there where you guys get it? Get on?

No, there is not.

When's the last time you guys had communication?

Years.

Okay, got it. So let's set that one aside. So let's go to.

But that's where. Where I think the Obama fact is coming.

Okay. So again, this is the great thing about asking questions. You know, the audience can go do their own due diligence and people can react to it. Let me continue. So your position. I'm reading some of the stuff that you've said. An African may have lived, worked, and even been classed as a citizen in America for centuries, yet he is not american. Okay. Yes, he is, as he likely prefers to be labeled an African in America. The same rule applies to others who are not of the founding stock of our people or do not share the common unconscious that premades throughout our greater civilization and the european diaspora. The american identity was something uniquely forged in the struggle that our ancestors waged to survive in the new continent, not simply by birth, by one granted this title, but by the degree to which he works and fulfills the potential of his birth. So what do you think? Like, if you were to break down what you believe in, do you want America to be a place where it's all white nationalists and nobody else that's not a white nationalist will be here? Would that be an ideal situation for you?

Not necessarily, and I believe that might be a bit of a leading question. But when you're talking about that statement in particular, it is from an older version of the manifesto. It has been updated and clarified. But when you look at different groups, you know, different groups in America, blacks have been very much culturally, economically, socially, and even legally distinct from what we call white Americans, or I simply refer to as Americans. For the entire history of this country and from the 16 hundreds to the 2020s, there are groups in this country that are very distinct. And when I say american, I'm not referring to purely as a citizen, but I'm referring to a member of the american nation, which I believe is a cultural, as an ethnic group, just like iranian, just like a member of any country from Europe. But I believe we should treat the native, true born population of America in the same way that other countries are purely allowed to recognize that somebody from this country has a unique cultural background. And this isn't to say that blacks are not here, that they do not have a unique culture on this continent.

It is simply to say that they are so distinct, both racially, economically, socially segregation still exists de facto. Today, many communities are largely one or another population. I believe these differences are so distinct that we ought to consider them as different nations, perhaps within the same government.

Okay, so what does that really mean? Going back to my question. Sure. I'm from Iran.

Okay.

Okay. My mother's Armenian. My dad's a Syrian. I came here in November 20, 1990. June 20 of 1999, I become a us citizen. I joined the army with a green card. Okay. What do you consider me? Do you see me as an american, or do you see me as an iranian?

I would think you would be. You are a citizen. You are legally and civically a part of the United States, and I would classify you as a good citizen. You are a businessman. You have brought a lot of value to the country. However, I would say that you are distinct from an american. And I am not somebody who believes that everybody who is not american is, by default, worse than. I don't put the world into that kind of hierarchy, but I believe there is a distinction there. And when you're talking about, you know, what I would want to do, I think immigration should be restricted. I think all of the illegals should be sent home. I think anybody who lied about their naturalization status in order to get it unlawfully should be sent home. Like Tucker Carlson. You spoke with him recently. He mentioned how everybody with a dual passport should have to choose. Things like that are a great start, and I think you would really be able to help demographically secure the country. But, you know, are you. Are we asking, should the United States have anybody within its borders in any civic capacity, which is not a national, which is not a true cultural assimilated person?

I think there is some room for that, and I think there's some room for that in a lot of reasonable governments. But what we're talking about today, or what we're talking about in the country today is the fact that should immigration, should these globalist policies be allowed to completely transform the cultural and demographic landscape of the country? And I believe that would make it something entirely different.

So my sons, their mother is white. Their mother is white. She was born in Texas, Houston, Texas. Their dad is middle Eastern. What are my kids? Are they american?

I would say they are half and half.

So if they're not born here to you, they're not american. If they're not. So what do I have to be to be fully american in your eyes, you personally, anybody.

So an American, I believe, is a member of the european race, any of the nations of the european race, or, and they not only, you know, you aren't american simply by being a member of the european race. You have to have lived in America and assimilated to the american culture, the american heritage, which is harder to do nowadays because our culture has been so diluted, things have been made much less sincere, I believe, when we look back at our history. So somebody, not only a member of the european people, but also a specifically a member of the, who has assimilated to the american nation just like anybody might assimilate.

Got it. So have you done ancestry on your family?

Yes.

And what showed up? What came up for you?

I have ancestors on both my mother's and my father's side that go back to the 17 hundreds before the revolution.

And where did they come from?

Scotland, Britain. And I have some french and german ancestry as well.

Was it 100% Scotland, Britain. And was there anything from the Middle east at all?

Not that I know of.

0% from anything else entirely european. So for you, ideally, let me go back to it, because on another article, you know, when you're talking about what the Patriot Front's propaganda tactics and dissemination methods. Let me just read this to you. This is an article written about, you can react to it. So Patriot Front prioritizes the dissemination of propaganda as a core feature of its organizational activity. Here are some of the key tactics and methods they use. Physical propaganda dissemination members are required to participate in physical propaganda dissemination and attend public events as a condition of membership. This could involve distributing flyers, posters and stickers in public places. Okay, cool. Online presence. The group maintains a careful public image with propaganda and public activity intentionally void of overt racism and hateful conduct. This sanitized public image allows for a wider reach to others who may be sympathetic to the worldview. Okay, three, professionals and publicity. The organization places significant emphasis on professionals, publicity, and membership growth. Okay, next one, recruitment. Patriot fund quietly recruits new members who are worried about a nation overrun by immigrants and a world controlled by loos. Their propaganda acts as a funnel to more extreme organizations and ideologies through their online presence and organizational affiliation.

You can obviously dispute that, but it says recruits quietly, so I'll come back to this. Intimidation and vandalism. The group engages in a mix of vandalism, intimidation, and to foster anxiety, they use attention grabbing techniques like igniting smoke bombs during demonstrations and protests. Secrecy. Patriot fund communicates secretly and avoids talking about guns or violence online. This is done in an effort to avoid attacking, attracting negative publicity and government intervention. Which of these do you think is inaccurate about your organization?

So when they say that we use colored smoke at demonstrations or banner drops to instill anxiety or fear. That's a ridiculous point. You'll find photographers using colored smoke for attention grabbing photos. It's the same reason we do it. They're entirely harmless. Private communications are so that we can hide things from the world. No, your company here, I don't imagine every communication between all of your employees is public. You know, you can't look that up on Twitter. Twitter, when you're talking about recruiting members quietly. I don't know how we.

How do you recruit them? Where do you recruit the guys from? Where do you find them?

We have a website, and people find the organization on any of our publications, or they see us in person or a lot of networking in person happens. There's a lot of peer to peer contacts, and they will contact us. They will submit an application, there will be an email process, and then they will go through our membership process, which is somewhat proprietary because we do take vetting very seriously. We do take security very seriously. But that article, it was written by somebody who does not think highly of the organization.

Of course. I get that. No, I totally get that. So if I wanted to go to apply for the application, is this the way to go through it or what?

That would be the page, yes.

And is it a list of questions that I'm going through? Or what's the. Or is there like a face to face interview that eventually ends up happening?

There's multiple stages. Yes, there is the application page. And as you would fill it out, more things appear.

Are you asking me questions in the interview process or.

No, there are questions. There's in person things there.

But in here, what kind of questions would you ask me? So can you, Rob, just put it in there? Let's kind of go through. I'm curious to know what the questions are.

Yes. So you have your email. That's so we can contact you.

What would you describe your political beliefs?

Yeah.

Do you live a healthy lifestyle that includes regular exercise?

I can tell a lot about a person, sure.

Yeah. Have you described your religious beliefs? Okay, what are you looking for there mainly? Are you looking for specific faith or. Faith is not the key.

It tells you a lot about somebody. So it is a general, very good conversation starter. Most all of the organization is christian or other traditional european faiths. We do not permit members who are hindu, buddhist, Muslim, Judaic. We believe that would come into conflict with our sort of America first principle of wanting a very native born ideology.

Fair enough. So why do you want to join? What are you looking for here?

Well, it really depends on the person because it's somewhat open ended because I want to find out what somebody is interested in. Sometimes people say, oh, well, I want to join because I want to go get people or whatever. And, okay, trash. Right. Somebody says, I want to join because I want to help people. I want to join because I feel alienated due to my political ideology. I want to join because I've seen y'all slandered in the media and I feel like that's unjust. Right. And some people join just out of spite due to what the media says about us. Some people join genuinely because they have a deep attachment to the country. They have a deep attachment to the traditions of America, and they see Patriot Front as one of the. One of the more preeminent organizations showcasing a very traditional american view of patriotism. You know, again, there's many different examples.

What skills do you have to benefit the organization? Activism. So you value activism, planning an organization, video editing, outdoorsmanship.

We're looking at where somebody's coming from. Okay, what kind of skills?

Activism is kind of like.

So, okay, if somebody's previously been involved in an activist organization, perhaps. Yeah.

How did you hear about us? News sticker, Stencil flyer demonstration, community outdoor social media. Okay. Have you read the manifesto and reviewed our updated page or.

Yeah, the updates page where we talk about our actions and various things and. Yeah. The question being the manifesto, there is. It's kind of a good hint that somebody should go read it if they haven't already.

If I put yes, does it open up for more options or that will be the. So that's the end of it. So this gets sent into you from here?

It gets sent into people who manage them? Yes.

Got it. And it's from there. What is the recruitment process? What's the next phase?

Well, then we talk with people, you know, digitally, and we have a whole script that we go through. We ask them a lot more about themselves. We ask them a lot more about their ideology, about their character because character and morality is very important. We're not just an organization that recruits, you know, we think you're american. We think you're one of us ethnically and culturally. So you're good to go. No, we select for men of character, men of good conduct, men who are disciplined enough to be in an organization with rules and with security and with practices upon which there are stakes. And after that, there could be several in person meetings which are variable depending on what we've learned in the process so far and where you might be going and what local representatives you might be speaking.

How did you learn how to do this? Who taught you these tactics?

Well, I got started in political organizing on the sort of, it could be called the right wing fringe. I don't like reducing things into purely left and right, but the nationalist politics. I started organizing at 1718 and Patriot Front is a result of seven straight years of adaptation and evolution and a b testing because, you know, like, you've gone through many different jobs and business ventures in your life. Patriotfront has gone through many iterations, many updates to its structures because what Patriotfront is doing in its particular realm of politics, when I showed up, you know, I was fresh out of high school. There was not a handbook written out. There weren't all the rules. Nobody was there to say, hey, don't do this because this is going to happen to you. And we have had to find out a lot of things the hard way, but we do really well in trying to find out mistakes before we make them because, you know, you're familiar with the violent tactics of anarchists and antifa, and you're familiar with the people online who will try to find somebody's identity and use it to destroy their lives. There's a few videos that have gone viral of, you know, somebody who the left and the Internet thinks has done some racist thing and they get millions of views, their life gets turned upside down, they get kicked out of college, all those things.

So there's a lot of security matters that come into place there, and we've had to build that up over time.

Have you ever had conversations or communication with the FBI?

No.

Have you ever met with the FBI?

No.

Why'd you think about it?

Well, I was wondering if at any point in our marches in Washington, DC, we'll often have a lot of cops come up and talk to us. Usually those are regular DC Metropolitan police. Sometimes I believe there's a few lieutenants in there. Could there have been one of them who's an FBI agent, who walks up and says, hey, you know, why don't you? Actually, I do remember a few times, I don't know if he was FBI, though, but there was a gentleman who walked up to the front of the marching column and said, hey, you're obviously the one in charge. I'm not wearing a mask. I got the big hat on. He said, hey, next time you're showing up to Washington, give me a call. He hands me a business card. I'm not interested in talking to the FBI. I ripped it up.

How many members do you guys currently have? Is it 160?

No, it is considerably above that. But the exact number I'll keep a little bit proprietary.

I guess what I'm asking for is, of the people that you have that's above 160, how many of them are active or a lot?

Is it a lot of activity in the 90% range? Yes.

So 90% of the 160 is active.

Well, we have a membership that's in considerable excess of that, and we are not a strictly political organization like a lot of people might think. We're not a political party. A lot of what we do is community organizing. A lot of what we do is fraternal, where people have family events. We engage in charity efforts. We, you know, the paper activism, you see where it's a poster, it's a sticker, it's a flyer, it's a banner. That is just one side of what we do. People also engage in career networking. People also engage in physical fitness and training. People engage. We host sporting events. We host outdoor treks and hikes and things of that nature. We host workshops. We teach people how to. Perhaps you might need some homesteading lessons. Perhaps you might want to start up a small business. Perhaps you might want to know how to rappel down a cliff if you're doing rock climbing. Thinks anything goes, really, because we do all those things. And actually, you mentioned in that article you were reading before, it says, we avoid talking about guns. We don't do anything with guns. One of the biggest things that the FBI uses to entrap people, and I think they do this maliciously, is they will go into a political group, often one that likes guns, a militia type thing, and they'll say, hey, do you want to buy this illegal firearm?

It's really cool. And the person will say, I think so. And then, you know, game over. Right? Members are not even permitted to talk to each other about what guns they might own. Nobody is selling or buying or modifying any firearms from each other. Security measures, solid concrete in place because we want to prevent, you know, we do a lot to prevent anybody with bad intentions. They don't have to be in the FBI. There's lots of people in the world with bad intentions. You know, we do a lot to prevent those people from even getting in. But even.

Do you trust the FBI?

Not at all. I think the FBI is a very politicized institution, and I think, frankly, it should be abolished and perhaps something else should replace it. I don't think you should be able to get away with murder by crossing a state line. Right. There should be some way for laws to be enforced on that scale. But the FBI itself, I believe, is so bureaucratic, it's so politicized, that it should be completely gutted and replaced.

Thomas, of the people that have applied to your organization, okay, some would say the reason why you don't want to give the number is because it's a lot smaller than people think. And when you're small, you have to act big, and when you're big, you have to act small. So maybe you're trying to act big while you don't have a lot of members and you're having a hard time gathering a lot of people. That could be one position that some people may take. Whether it's true or not, it is what it is.

They may say that.

Have you had any of the people that came to apply that were former FBI members, any of the folks that applied?

We screen and we ask people about if they have any government background, whether that's working for the post office or the. We have a lot of veterans, and we have never uncovered an actual FBI agent. Now, this does happen. And, you know, this happens all across the political spectrum. But a lot of times if somebody's information is put out there, if somebody's name gets big on Twitter for some sort of fringe political thing, this happens, you know, with antifa, too. This happens with even Trump supporters who post a message about, you know, sometimes they say, hey, that person should have something bad happen to them. Next thing you know, next morning, you got two plain clothes FBI officers knocking on your front door and they say, hey, we have this tweet printed out here. What would you like to say about it that has happened to members? But the FBI, I don't believe, engages in the type of undercover infiltration that a lot of people attribute to it as much as people think.

So, yes or no? You've never recruited anybody that was with the FBI before. You've never had in your. So are most of the people in the organization that get recruited. What percentage would you say are former military?

Somewhere maybe around 15% to 20%.

Oh, so it's not a big percentage.

More than five.

It's not a lot. I would have thought it would have been more. Not in a good or bad way. I just would have thought, because everybody looks like they're in shape. So maybe the guys that you're getting are crossfit guys. I don't know who you're getting there again, because these guys are in shape.

Sure.

Why wear the masks?

Masks are engaging in the practice of anonymity, and I think the government, because if we don't trust the FBI, if we think government institutions like the FBI are politically motivated, and they do use people's personal information to silence them, to censor them. And not only that, but the media, you know, they talk about, oh, well, why isn't the media identifying them? Because it's really difficult for them to do so, and it's a lot easier for them to publish the types of articles that they do. Anonymity is a right, I believe, that falls well under the first amendment of the Constitution.

Okay. What do you think about the organization Anonymous?

I don't have a really fleshed out opinion of the organization Anonymous itself. I'm not sure if it's really a single organization or if it's done anything lately. It might have done some good things. It might have done. I'm not really familiar with it.

Any inspiration from them?

No, not necessarily. No.

Any connections with any of the guys from Anonymous or. No.

I've never known anybody who's been involved in that.

Got it. So, you know, records obtained by the Texas observer show that the FBI has been monitoring you since at least May of 2017. Now, may of 2017, you're how old?

At that time, I would have been 17 or 1817 or 18. And I know, I think where that comes from, because at the time, a lot of.

Let me just finish. While he was still a student at Koppel High School, for his own flyer distribution on Dallas area campuses.

So that's it.

FBI follow a 17 year old kid. What are they worried about with you?

Maybe they were worried that I would start a much more successful political organization than the one I was in at the time. But at the time, what's more realistic is a lot of people were putting up a lot of posters and flyers at college campuses around the country. And the FBI probably had some political movers inside that said, hey, keep an eye on these things and get all that data, because we think some of these people putting out flyers, maybe they're dangerous. That's all they need. The FBI doesn't need.

That doesn't make any sense, though. The FBI just worried about you with flyers.

Perhaps it was part of a larger trend that was happening in the country. The FBI doesn't have a high threshold for needing somebody to look in on something.

Yeah, but for flyers, there's hundreds of thousands of people that put up flyers. You want a 17 year old kid is put on. FBI is monitoring them because of just that.

I think it's as crazy as you do.

You think so?

Yes.

What do you say about Nick Fuentes?

I do not have a really one way or the other opinion on Nick Fuentes. I think he has a lot of correct opinions. I think there's plenty of things that me and him might disagree on. I have nothing against him personally. He has had some complicated opinions on the organization in the past, but I think he is broadly somebody that is pushing the boundaries of free speech and pushing the boundaries on perhaps conservatism, even patriotism. So I would say he's done some good in his political career.

Who on the America first community has publicly supported what you guys are doing?

There have been a few podcasters and pundits who I believe have made positive statements, who I believe one of them, Ryan Sanchez, has come out in support of us, not people on the same level as Fuentes, but there is some support on that side of things. But why do you think.

Why do you think they're uncomfortable with you? I think you would seem to be somebody that they. They would say, there's a young man, Thomas Russo, is doing XYZ. Why are you not getting that? Why are they so uncomfortable with you?

I think there might be a level of perception of competition or a perception that there may be more enmity. You find in a lot of fringe politics that there is a lot of kind of. My team. Your team tribalism, which is something I really try to move past. I've never made any public statements against Nick Fuentes, and I really do my best to avoid making any negative comments on people in individual.

I mean, I get that. But to me, like, this is. This is a. Charlie Kirk was a young guy coming up, and boom, Charlie Kirk blew up. And he was pretty controversial. He was challenging a lot of people. He wasn't, you know, it wasn't like, hey, you know, nobody was supporting him. There was plenty of guys that were comfortable supporting him. Let me read something to you here from 2016, February 28. Your first column, okay, for student newspaper on February 20, 2016, was titled Diversity Clubs.

Yes.

Bring friendly atmosphere to students of varied backgrounds. That's kind of contradictory to where you are today. No?

So that is a news piece, and I was simply doing a story for my school newspaper, perhaps sophomore, junior year, that I was given by my editor. And I, like a good journalist, simply wrote the facts. And I talked to these people and I wrote down what they said. If you look at the same newspaper, there are other comments or there are other articles I wrote under the opinion category, and you will find more patriotic opinions under those when I was free to write my opinion.

So do you believe in diversity? Do you think diversity does bring friendly atmosphere to students of varied backgrounds?

I don't think ethnic and cultural diversity help a country. I think they impact negatively civic engagement. And there are some forms of diversity that are good. Like, if you're trying to build a house, right? You want the diversity of having a bricklayer, a plumber, an electrician, and an architect. But if you're trying to build a house, you don't want ten people who don't speak the same language, ten people who are trying to build different types of houses. And that's the type of diversity we have in the country today. We're not selecting people for skills, we're selecting people for votes. We're selecting people for economic reasons. You know, the Democrats are importing voters, right? Because every group that they're bringing in is voting more democrat than they are republican. And 90% of the people coming into the country are from places other than Europe, other than traditionally white countries. So there's a huge economic incentive, and there's a huge demographic and electoral incentive for that reason.

I mean, 1 may say, why are you uncomfortable with that? Since maybe even, you know, everybody, that almost everybody that came here was an immigrant at one point, they came from somewhere, right? That they came to America.

Yes.

Even. Even when, you know, revolutionary war, they had control. We're going to leave. We're going to come here. You know, we're going to come and build what? We're going to build it. Let me just even go to a different question. What do you think about slavery, the history of slavery? What's happened? Blacks, whites, you know, what's your position on that?

Firstly, I would say that for the significant majority of american history. All the way up until the 1960s, the groups of people that were coming here were broadly from not only Europe, but only certain parts of Europe, and that almost 100%. And the conditions of people, especially coming here in the 1617 and 18 hundreds, they were coming to an area which was not fully governed. They were coming to the frontier. They were building homes out of mud brick. These were pioneers, these were settlers, these were homesteaders. It's vastly different than the people who come here today and sign up to welfare programs. The people who get their court date and don't show up. And on your second point, what do I think about slavery? I think slavery was imposed upon the colonies, which later became the United States, ultimately by the mercantile system of Great Britain in the empire. And it was sort of stuck because it became a very difficult institutional question to ask. And the founders asked this question. Thomas Jefferson and even Abraham Lincoln thought emancipation should naturally be followed by repatriation. Colonies were started in Liberia and even places in Central America so that we could return to a status of domestic tranquility without these large ethnic divisions.

But unfortunately, when you were ratifying the constitution, there were disagreements between northern and southern colonies as to should slaves. That's where the three fifths compromise comes from. And you had this large population of blacks, which were slaves at the time and then emancipated later used as political leverage, because southern states wanted them to be added to their House of Representatives number for apportionment. And northern states wanted the opposite because. And later on, you'll find that the opposition to slavery became less of a political and a geographic thing and much more of a moral crusade. But even today, I think it can be argued, even Candace Owens says it, that the black voter base is somewhat used as a police, as a. As a way of political leverage from one left to the right.

Do you think Lincoln screwed up with emancipation Proclamation?

I think it was an act of war. It was done during the Civil War as a method to destabilize and to hurt the rebelling colonies or the rebelling states, as a method of achieving his ends in that conflict. I believe it was successful.

Would you have done what he did?

I cannot personally say what I would have done if I was in Abraham Lincoln's shoes. And it should also be realized that Abraham Lincoln was assassinated before he could really carry out whatever his vision was. And that's the story of historical debate. For every day since then, people have argued what he really would have done.

I guess I got some questions on that, because when you're talking about emancipation proclamation.

Okay, we do think slavery is an immoral institution.

For the record, you do think slavery is an immoral institution, but you were hesitant to, you know, say whether you think what he did was the right thing or not right. And you're like, I can.

Political level. Yes, it was controversial at the time.

It was controversial at the time. But do you think, you know, I'll read it to you. So Lincoln issued an emancipation proclamation on January 1, 1863, announcing that all persons held that slave slaves within the rebellious areas are, and henceforth shall be free. Do you agree with all of that?

I agree that slavery should have been ended, yes.

So do you see blacks as equals.

To whites in the respects of having basic human rights and not deserving to be slaves? Yes. Do I think that they are analogous to people of every different nation on the planet? No. Nor do I think I would compare any two groups of people and expect them to measure up precisely on the fact that they are different. I don't put the world into a hierarchy of races. I think that's unproductive. But I do recognize that different nations are different. They have different cultures, we have different languages, we live in different places. And that type of diversity, not within borders, but between them, is something which is very important. And a lot of the conflicts you have in the world today, whether you're looking at the Middle east, whether you're looking at Russia and Ukraine, are a result of nationalism, which has been impaired by imperialism or globalism, or these matters where people don't line up with their borders. And America did really well at that very long time.

Do you think your bloodline is superior to blacks?

Superior in what respect?

In any. You know, in thinking decision making.

Superior in being leadership? Superior in being american? Yes. Superior in any other realm where you might try to measure an individual. I think that doesn't matter. I'm not an anthropologist. I'm not going to look at scientific things in IQ. I'm not familiar with those studies. But what I do know is that different groups of people are the best at being who they are. But I don't believe we should put people into categories where it's making some sort of hierarchy which is entirely unnecessary.

What do you think about Hitler?

I don't have any necessarily strong opinions on Hitler. I've never looked into him detailed in a historical lens. Really, nothing I believe, ideologically or politically, is reliant on him.

So you've never studied him?

Never studied him, no. I mean, I'm familiar with the events of the second world War. I think a lot of people.

You ever read Mein Kampf?

I have never read the book. I've heard excerpts, but I think a lot of people have, but I've never read it cover to cover.

You've never read Mein Kampf. Okay. All right. So when you started the. When we started the podcast, you said something about, hey, you know, you're an american. You've done good, but there's some disagreements that we have. At the beginning, you said that.

I said you're pro american. Yes.

So what part of me, my idea, my ideas, do you disagree with?

I'm curious ideas on what necessarily constitutes naturalization, which is more of a natural process as opposed to a legislative process. And any attempt by the government to make that a legislative process is, I would think, a measure to coincide with the recognition of the natural process, because nations are natural things. If you started the world over right now and you put a bunch of people in a bunch of places on earth, you would end up with nations. There would be different nations, but you would have nations, because within human nature, given to us by whatever creator somebody might believe in, there is a social aspect, and there is a hierarchical aspect. We form different cultures. We form hierarchies, and from our hierarchies extend governments, and from our various social collectives, we form families, communities, nations, and then ultimately races. And these are all natural outgrowths of the human mind and body. And we. And me, as a nationalist, I want a government which recognizes and upholds these natural truths instead of what we see today, especially with the transgender pathology. People are trying to play God. People are thinking that human beings and culture and heritage and everything up until now is just something like clay, that you can infinitely mold and cast people into these things where they're infinitely malleable.

It's not true.

Earlier you talk, I asked you a question about people that came here. Everybody was an immigrant that came here, et cetera, et cetera. What do you think about Italians?

I think Italians are from Europe, and people of european nations can assimilate into the american nation as it is of.

Why do you think Italians experienced? You know, I don't know if it's racism, discrimination. At the beginning, where Italians were not allowed, they had all these things about them. Why do you think american? That happened in our history, there was.

Discrimination, and there was opposition to a lot of the immigration that happened in the late 18 hundreds and the early 19 hundreds, not solely on the basis these people were from Italy, because even the immigration restrictionists of the time agreed that there are good people from these countries. But the matter was due to the economic incentives and due to a lot of social differences. The worst rungs of those social classes from Italy and other places around the Mediterranean were being brought into the country because, for example, steamship companies would make money by the head. So what do you do? You go and you clear out the asylums, you clear out the prisons. And a lot of countries were happy to dump these people onto american shores. And that was where a lot of differences come from. And, of course, there was the opposition based on protestant and catholic lines, religious differences. You're going to find all the time that's something innate through him at human history.

So if you were president today, how would you handle, what would you do differently today if you become a president today? It's 2024. You know, where we're going with immigration. You know, we have somewhere between 8 million, 15 million. There's a lot of numbers we've read. What things would you work on immediately?

So first things first. You'd want to shut down the border. I think this is not a controversial thing to say to the right way. You'd want to shut down the border. Every single illegal immigrant has to go. Anybody who's lied about their naturalization status, where they lied about living somewhere, they lied about really being a refugee, when they're just an economic migrant, their naturalization should be revoked. Anybody who used that person as a chain link, anchor baby, sort of, you know, don't keep family separated deal, they should go as well. Anybody who's only in here due to visas, which I believe have a lot of economic exploitation of the country, they should be sent home politely. We don't need. We should be able to create our own engineers things. Dual passports. Anybody with a dual passport, even Tucker Carlson said this when you spoke to him.

Yeah, I saw that.

Every single person with a dual passport should be forced to choose. And I think you'd be really surprised at what countries people would choose if you made them pick. And then you can start on a process of even voluntary repatriation if a lot of people, you know, a lot of, you know, you have millions of people coming in, you know, maybe not every year, but every couple years. Biden's let in 7 million people in the last three years. A lot of these people are only here because of the economic incentives. Right. And I agree that America should be a place where people can make money. I agree that America should be a place with this sort of opportunity. But not all the people coming across the mexican border are entrepreneurs and businessmen. And doctors. A lot of these people are here for the social programs. If those dry up, or even if you turn them around and say, hey, we're not doing that anymore. We've tried since 1960, 1965, we've tried the greatest humanitarian experiment in the history of the world and frankly, it's failed. So we're going to turn this money around and we're going to set you up.

Going back home, you'll get a bus fare, you know, we'll even have sign all sorts of treaties with the government you came from and we'll make sure it's happy.

Would you consider yourself a white supremacist?

I would not for the reasons that I listed before, because I don't believe that the world needs to be put into a hierarchy of nation over nation over nation, race over race. I think that's unproductive. I believe in nation states. I think throughout history the most stable form of government has been when you put one nation in one state, right? When you have a state which expands over many nations, you end up with imperialism. And in history you would have governments that expand geographically, like they would push their border over another nation. You have the roman empire, you have the persian empire, you have any empire, take it or leave it. And what we have now is the opposite, where we're taking people from other countries, other nations, and we're bringing them here. And it's still a form of imperialism. And I believe it's an attempt to assimilate all of these various nations or members of various nations that reside within the modern day United States into a sort of uprooted culture, a sort of nothing at all nationality. And I think that is very difficult. What was your question again?

No, I asked a question about not white supremacists.

Oh, yes. I'm not a supremacist, so I don't believe you need to rank. And I consider myself first and foremost loyal to the american nation. I am not loyal to other european countries. If there was ever a case where the interests of the american nation, which I am a part of, came into conflict with the interests of any other european nation, I would choose my own. So saying that I'm purely white in that respect would be reduction.

Who are your heroes?

As a kid growing up, my heroes. So personally, I was in Boy Scouts and I had role models and I had mentors in that that taught me a lot about morality, a lot about team building, a lot about small group leadership. And I believe, you know, my father and some of the people and scouts that I looked up to were role models growing up. But further on, as I began to study and familiarize myself with american history, like I believe all members of the nation should, I have come to find a lot of admirable qualities in people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt. Each of them have very stunning values, which I think I would never compare myself to, but I think we should, as Americans and as what we believe are servants to our national cause, we should try to emulate them to the best of our ability, because those people came from extraordinary circumstances. And I believe if we are going to save America, if we are going to recast America anew, because America has had ups and downs, but every time there's been a large correction and America has been set for the next century, maybe the next 150 years, I think we need that and we need to look back at our history and say, how did they do it?

Not exactly the methods, but how did they do it in terms of character, in terms of virtue? What kind of conditions did our founding fathers grow up, grow up in that made them so strong?

Yeah, but you're saying so, yes. At 17 years old, you're already thinking about doing some of these things. Why? Why is that? 17 years old? You know, most people are smoking weed. I'm assuming you didn't smoke weed.

Never once.

At 17 years old, you're chasing skirts. You're going doing what you're doing with girls, playing sports, you're maybe joining some clubs. You're part of a. You have a four point. You added academia. Guys, why are you thinking about these thoughts at 17 years old? This has to have been a deep rooted conviction, either from someone in your life or a book or something, to get you to be thinking the way that you are.

I saw a lot of the political landscape when I was just finishing high school. I was on the school newspaper, so I stayed tapped into the news. And of course, Trump was running, and politics was everywhere. You could not get away from it if you tried. I went to city council meetings, and I saw what local government was like. I tried to join the young Republicans Club and school. There was nobody there that even supported Trump. I went to a press conference when Trump was. When Trump was not nominated, when Chris Christie endorsed him for the 2016 presidential race, I was there with my school newspaper. I saw all the various news agencies grilling Trump about his tax returns again and again and again. I saw a lot of the political spectrum. And then I got involved in online movements. I was talking with people online, and I ended up at Charlottesville. And I personally think I would have been better had I not been there. But knowing that I did, I learned a lot about what not to do. I think Charlottesville was a chaotic rally. I think it was very unfortunate. Now, I don't think that, you know, it was intended to be criminal or anything negative in that way, but I think it was very poorly planned.

And seeing all that, I came to a conclusion from the parts of the political landscape I had seen, that it's not good enough, and somebody needs to be doing something that I don't see being done right now. And when you find yourself, you probably have experienced this in business, when you find yourself in a room of people, and you might be the only one who thinks that something should be done at a certain point, you think you have to do it yourself.

Okay, so, Charlottesville, did you get paid from anybody to be there?

No, I actually spent some of my own money.

Nobody paid you to be there? Not at all, whatsoever?

I don't know anybody who was paid to be there.

Okay. Got those honey pot. Some of the stuff that conversations were coming up. Okay, so let me. Books. What books inspired you as a kid? What books did you read?

I have read and been inspired by the historical works of Francis Parkman. I think he was an excellent 18 hundreds american historian who teaches the realm of history in a very successful way. The Federalist papers are not necessarily inspiring. They're very dense, but they are very informative. And you really need to look up at the, you know, the federalists and the anti federalists with almost a semblance of awe for how articulate and how reasonable they were with the circumstances they had. So that was very influential on me. I've read through the speeches and a lot of the works of George Washington, which sounds cliche, but it's cliche for a reason, because Washington is the father of the nation. And so many other things I read. I don't exactly remember the book, but I have read biographies of Andrew Jackson. I believe I read Benjamin Franklin's biography, and I found that to be very interesting because he lived in such a different world. I have read some works by Madison Grant, and Lothrop Stoddard, who I don't agree with everything on their racial theories, but I think, regarding immigration, they were right about a great number of things.

Who do you fear? Who do you fear? And what do you fear?

I fear a life not worth living. I fear irrelevance with nothing to do about it. I fear unfulfilled potential. I have a lot of people who don't like me in the world. I have a lot of people who come after me, whether it's legally, whether it's rhetorically, whether it's politically. But I'm not afraid of that. I'm afraid of not doing the most I can in my life to accomplish what I think is right and moral and virtuous. I'm afraid of not being true to myself with being put in a situation where I feel like I have to morally compromise.

Tell me about your relation with your parents, mom and dad.

Absolutely. And I think my mom and my dad, who don't necessarily share all of my political opinions or even some of them, so I won't drag them into this. But I think my parents were divorced from a young age, well, from my young age, not theirs. And I went back and forth and I learned a little bit about how families can be a little bit dysfunctional in the modern day. But I think my story is one shared by many, many young men in America. Absolutely. And I believe that I learned a lot from them. I still keep in good touch with them.

Are you close to both?

Yes, I would say so. Not one necessarily more than the other, although I did live with my father longer once I got older. But I think it's important for a young man to have a more male role model in his life.

Who offended you?

Offended me?

Did anybody offend you?

You mean in a personal context?

Did anybody offend you to cause rage within you?

I don't believe I have the kind of rage in me that a lot of people would expect or predict. I do what I do out of the belief that it's right and that it's necessary. And I always do my best to avoid getting angry with people, but I don't have to try that hard because I can have disagreements with people. But I believe politics and decision making and leadership, especially since I work with volunteers. Everybody I work with is working with me because they want to. And when I say, hey, go do that thing, I always follow it up with. And here's why. And here's why I think you should do it. And if you don't, who taught you.

How to do that? Who taught you how to attract volunteers? Where did you learn that?

I learned some of it in Boy Scouts. I learned some of it on the school newspaper. But gradually it was really a practice of learning it in the field. Learning while you do.

Did you duplicate anybody? Did you have somebody that mentored you?

I wouldn't say I had a specific mentor. I've seen a lot of people in my life who've done things one way or the other. I believe I might have a natural proclivity for a few things. I don't want to sound like I'm putting myself out there too much, but I believe I do have a particular personality which helps towards working with volunteers.

Who's your enemy?

My enemy? I believe anybody who wants to absolutely transform and transfigure the face of America into something both it is not and something it was never meant to be.

Does it make you feel uncomfortable that you're sitting with a Middle Eastern right now?

Not at all. We're having a rational and reasonable conversation.

When you went to school at Kaplan, what percentage was whites? What was the.

It actually changed very considerably in my time there. I'm not exactly sure on the percentages, but when I was freshman year, I believe white people, or traditional Americans as we would know them, were the considerable majority or a super majority of the population. By the time I left, I remember there was one very key moment where I went back to my middle school. I was there working for the school paper, and there was a world War two veteran of the Pacific theater speaking about his experience at Pearl Harbor harbor. And I looked into the audience and I would say around three fourths of every child sitting there was of indian ancestry, subcontinental Indians. And the amount of indifference I saw was startling. And I'm not accusing these indian children of being indifferent to the struggles of world War two american veterans, but frankly, it's not their history they have. The history of their parents also extends back to World War two. India was involved, but it's very different. And I was just a shocking moment because the country that this man thought he was fighting for and the country that he was being presented with today were so drastically different that that was a stunning moment.

But was I personally offended?

No. Okay, so, patriot front. Do you guys have any black members?

No.

Why not?

Because I believe that the interests of blacks in the United States and the interests of. Of who I call Americans are distinct. I don't believe they are always contradictory, but we only recruit members who are of the european race and of the american nation. We've denied.

So then that's why they call you white nationalist. Were you okay with that disposition, or.

America was living by that standard essentially from 1620?

Nothing that there's anything wrong with that.

1620 to 1960, that was the standard. Right, so. But white nationalists is a term. You won't find the founders saying it. George Washington, the first congress in 1787, signed a law saying naturalization act, the very first one. Only free white men of good character. Free white persons of good character. Did George Washington ever call himself a white nationalist? Do people call George Washington a white nationalist? Do they call him a fascist even though he existed 100 years?

Different America than today. It's a different America than today. Sure. Black members cannot be a part of Patriot Front. Can a Middle Eastern.

No.

Can I apply and be part of it?

There are many organizations in this country that are by and for people of african descent or people of middle eastern descent.

Sure. I'm just qualifying that so we know it's not a big deal. It's just you're saying what the position is. Okay, Trump, how do you feel about Trump?

I have a balanced opinion on Trump. I do not personally, overtly, or actively support him. I think the patriotic constituents in America, people who think like I do, are too easily brought in behind politicians who may over promise and under deliver. I think Trump is very unique in the political space. I think he has done a lot for the conservative movement. You see things being the norm in conservative politics that under Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich would have been unthinkable. So I think there is a value to that. I think the landscape has opened up, but I don't personally support Trump. I think Trump has to do more.

So what does he need to do?

I think his support for Israel is one thing in particular, and perhaps his favor of those zionist politics is one of the biggest things that are perhaps holding Trump back from a true America first policy.

So you're not for him supporting the zionist and Israel. You don't like that?

I am not in favor of.

Why are you uncomfortable with that?

I believe not only is the wars in the Middle east often involving Israel, either directly or indirectly, are a huge drain of resources, of diplomatic credibility. I mean, how many countries in the world hate the United States because we have chosen Israel as an ally over however many dozens of countries despise us for our role in that. But it is a drain of blood. It's a drain of resources. It's a drain of money. It's a drain of diplomatic credibility. And culturally, Americans have very little in common with, I think, a lot of the people that live in Israel, perhaps not much more than we would have in common with the people who live in other countries.

Unpack that. What do you mean by that? The word we disagree with a lot of people in Israel.

Americans are not culturally similar to Israelis any more than we would be culturally similar to Iranians, especially in the country where you grew up. I know Iran has changed very drastically, but I don't think we have a whole lot. There's no reason that Israel needs to be this ally, which we are willing to sacrifice our place on the global stage, for which we're willing to wage trillion dollar wars to destabilize their neighbors. There's no reason, except for the fact that there's so many Zionists in the american government, in lobbying groups like AIPAC, and they brag about their influence, they brag about being able to buy politicians, and you look up politicians that say pro Israel things, that they defend Israel invading these cities in Gaza, and you look at how much money they've received from AIPAC and groups like that, and it's a lot. But I don't think we should support these other groups in the Middle East. I think the United States should be hands off the Middle east, because I think a lot of these countries, a lot of these groups were having conflicts and border conflicts, and ethnic conflicts and religious conflicts long before the United States ever showed up.

And they'll be having them after we leave.

Do you think the world's a better place without Israel existing?

I don't know. I think the existence of Israel is something that needs to be cited by the Middle east and not the United States States.

So. Okay. Are you a Christian?

I am not personally religious, although I do deeply respect and appreciate the role that Christianity has played in shaping the culture of America.

What do you believe in?

I have. I believe there's something. I believe there is greater power. There is something in nature, or something in the creation of the world and the universe.

Who do you think Jesus was?

I think Jesus was an immensely important historical figure. I believe he was real. I believe he was present. And I believe he defined millennia that have followed with his words and with his actions and with the like.

Do you see him as the greatest carpenter of all time? Is that kind of how you view him?

I think Christ exemplified a lot of the moral teachings that I believe have greatly influenced. I mean, he's called the son of God, and billions of people believe that.

So would you say you're an atheist? Agnostic, more agnostic?

I've never delved, really, into picking or choosing a label, but I deeply respect the role that Christianity has played.

So let's just say. Let's just say I'm assyrian.

Okay, very good.

And most of the assyrian land was today's Iraq.

Okay.

Okay. And a lot of the places, historical places of Assyrians, you know, alamas and some of these places that we had. They've been destroyed by people in Iraq. Absolutely. Destroying well known churches, well known buildings to get rid of the history.

I'm against historical erasure.

Okay. But also if you, you say you're against it, but what does that really mean? Because, you know, some people may say, well, the reason why Israel is necessary, because that's Jerusalem. So what if we let it loose and you let the Middle east handle it and they go in and they destroy the city? How do you prevent that from happening?

I wouldn't be in favor of cities being destroyed.

Generally you won't be able to control that because that's happened.

Does the United States need to guarantee every city in the world, Jerusalem is.

A different city, though. There's a, you know, a couple billion people worldwide that believe in this guy named Jesus. I think they don't think he was just a carpenter. They think he was a. I understand. Right. So to them, they would like to keep that place.

When you spoke with Vivek, Ram swam. He was talking about how I don't believe he thinks that Israel should be in its place of preeminence, that it is right now. But he was talking about how Israel had all the money and all the guns that frankly, they needed to defend their own borders. But what they lacked most was diplomatic credibility and that was not being used by them. Because I think there's a lot of people in Israel who are placing the conflict and their war goals over their diplomatic credibility on the world stage. And without the United States propping them up diplomatically, perhaps a lot of those politicians in Israel would have to make a lot of very difficult decisions which would ultimately bring them back into a semblance, we can hope, of harmony. But that's a decision that has to be made by them.

But that's a different conversation, though. Those are two separate things we're talking about, I think.

I don't think that America exists to assure these places.

You don't think America exists to ensure these places? Yes. Got it. So for you, whether they destroyed Jerusalem or not, that's not in your top 100 list, that matter to you?

I would say that. I would think it would be a very bad thing.

However, you wouldn't lose sleep over it, though.

The United States, if we're talking about what we would do, I'm not in any position to write policy or dictate foreign policy. Right. But the United States could act, not as a arms dealer, but it could act in a more assertive tone as a peace broker. And I think that could avoid the type of cataclysmic scenario you're talking about.

What prompted you to be so uncomfortable? Or maybe against Israel's existence? Or, you know, the fact that it's like, I think these Trump being too supportive of that. I'm not with that. What prompted you at this age, 25 years old, to be so against that?

It's not so much Israel in the Middle east as much as Israel in the United States. I think the amount of people of jewish faith and ancestry and specifically of zionist political leanings is there are overrepresented in positions of power in the United States today. And is that me saying that every single one of them is morally bad and guilty of some particular wrongdoing? No, absolutely not. But I think it is not wrong to say that these people, you know, especially Zionists, people with these lobbying groups, are so vastly overrepresented in comparison to the amount of Jews in the Middle east or in the United States or anywhere, that we need to ask some serious questions as a country as to whether or not the influence of these, you know, political careerists is in the best or the negative interests of the United States. And if you ask me, I would say no.

I think that's a very valid. I don't think people would dispute that. I don't think that's the concern. There's a lot of people that are probably going to be on the same page with you there on whether America is first or not. It's not about. I hope so. I think that's what the case is because we would want it to be America first. And some of them are simply not. They're giving too much money to Ukraine, too much money to a lot of different places. Those are all valid concerns to have, I think, for you. Okay. So at the beginning, I asked you, you know, what things this organization was about. You're like, well, that was a hit piece that was written on us. Okay.

That particular right.

That one, that was a hit piece written on you guys. Who, who is an ideal candidate today that you would say, I like what he or she stands for as far.

As conventional politicals and electoral.

Sure. Yeah.

I don't think right now there would be somebody that is. That Patriot front is willing to endorse because there's not somebody up in that same stage who would, in turn endorse Patriot Front. I will defend anybody who defends me. However, I would say that the political constituency or the patriotic constituency in America is not really ready for a nationalist candidate because we lack a lot of the community organizing. We lack a lot of the central focus. You look at the republican party today, and so much of it is about what we aren't, what we don't like, about the left. It's very oppositional. But you will find there is a more intense lack of a congruent and cohesive vision of what America should be 1020 o 150 years down the line.

So you're sitting out this election. You will not be voting this election.

I will personally not be voting. I will not be stopping members of. That would be illegal. I'm not stopping anybody from voting.

Voting.

I'm not telling anybody not to vote, but personally, I will abstain.

So. Okay. So if that's where you are, my take on you is you're a true. You won't like this. You're a true white nationalist. Not in a way that you're a Nazi. And you're, you know, from that standpoint. But I think you may need to study a little bit of Hitler, because.

I don't think so.

I think. I think, listen, if you really are trying to do good in the world, which sounds like that's what you want to do, it's important to study history.

Sure.

And sometimes studying history isn't just studying the good people. Sometimes you got to study the bad people as much as the good people to find out what drove them, what moved them, what pissed them off, and what led them to do something that was catastrophic. You're young. You sound like you're a true believer. I'm not convinced all of this has happened. I think something happened to get you to be believing this stuff. I don't know. The relationship with mom, dad, and uncle, somebody like that at the beginning, negative about anybody. I don't say negative. I didn't say negative. I mean, I have some certain beliefs myself that as a young man, that got my convictions to get deeper. I think there's something there, because I think for someone, someone to just wake up one morning and want to do this, it prompts a lot of different questions at a young age. There has to be something. That's the motivation. I don't know what it is, but I'm sure within time, we'll find out. Any final thoughts to the audience before we wrap up?

For me? Yeah, I think there were a lot of things that, when we were talking about the elements on Twitter, especially some of the things with the tweets regarding the arrests in Idaho, we never really got to fully dig in there. When you were talking about the fact that masks weren't taken off. Can I talk about that?

Of course.

So if we could perhaps pull it up. The image or the video of. Yes. So he's asking there, why no mask removal after arrest? And I actually saw, if you scroll down in that thread a little bit, there were photos of. There were photos of the guys. See right there. If you go right, not only is that everybody's mugshot, but you go right there, and there is one of the guys being unmasked. And here's why. Here's what happened, is they stopped the truck because a citizen, just a regular person, saw something very strange. He saw something very unusual. He called the police and he used some language. And the police were on a hair trigger that day. They were very nervous. And what they did was they showed up with all their SWAT gear and stuff like that. Because previously there was a militia group in north Idaho which said, hey, we're going to be there. We're going to do all sorts of stuff. Right? That wasn't us. But the police hearing that phone call thought it might have been that militia group. They show up like this. They arrest people without even. They were talking about a rioting charge before they even opened that box truck.

They knew what they were going to arrest those people for. They bring all those guys down onto the grass handcuffed, because if you're a cop, you're thinking, what's more dangerous to me, this guy's face or his hands? So they handcuff everybody. They sit them down and they start processing people one by one. What they did, and this includes, they took me up there in front of the squad car. They take all your stuff out of your pockets. They take your mask off, they take a photo of you, they do some paperwork. Then they put you in one of them big police vans, and they take you off to jail. So when people say, why didn't they remove their masks? They did. They absolutely did. In that whole court case.

Not everybody. I mean, I understand you're just isolating one of the cases. It's not.

I would be more than happy to go through every single.

There's a difference between, you know, having some like that versus, you know, you guys wanted to come. What do you think about KKK? What do you think about Ku Klux Klan?

I think it is a useless organization, both modern, and I think it made a lot of very large mistakes in history. Such as, I think its tactics were overly chaotic. I think there were some big political investments by the Klan into things like prohibition, which I think were useless, especially in hindsight. I think religious, the religious disputes of the Klan were entirely useless, especially in the modern context. And the cultural footing of the organization was founded in a lot of resentment following the civil war, which I think made it ineffective in getting out of a culture of resentment itself, because if that's where you start, it's going to be very easy to stay there, and it's going to be very easy to recruit everybody who has that sense of resentment, but it's going to be very hard to translate out of that.

What do you think about David? Do?

I don't know a whole lot about David Duke's life. There are probably some things he said which are reasonable. There are probably some things he said which I disagree with. I don't know if he's ever hurt anybody. I don't know if he's ever committed any particular crimes. So I will say that I'm broadly unfamiliar with the man.

So. Sounds like maybe you didn't study Hitler. Well, you definitely studied the KKK.

Well, it's american history. Yes.

Why did you study them? Why are you so interested in the KKK?

Well, the KKK is an interesting part of american history, especially when you look after the civil war and in various periods of racial unrest in the 18 hundreds, its role in the 19 hundreds I'm a little less familiar with. But there were various iterations. It's obviously not all the same people, but I am familiar with the Klan as much as I am familiar with the various other political figures in the aftermath or before the civil war.

Yeah. So then for me, it's not necessarily America first, your disposition. 1 may watch this and say, it's not America first. You're white first because there's a big difference. Because if you say America first, some people may, on the left, they may find a way to use you and pull you in other America first organizations. Have you considered changing the branding to white first over America first?

Well, no, because the white people I'm talking about are those who specifically live in America and have a connection and a history with America.

Right.

So that, so it's not, it's not Germans, it's not Lithuanians, it's not people from Denmark, it's Americans. And I believe in white first. These people. White, I believe. Sure. Colloquially, it's white people. Yes, of the european race.

But what I'm saying is that that would, that would get, that would help. A, a Musk or Rogan or some of these guys who say, okay, cool, he's white for first. It's great. No problem. It's not America first.

Those are two different things, because the definition of America.

Go ahead.

What's the. You're talking about from. Again, from 1620 to 1965, Americans were thought of. Before Europeans landed here, there was no America. America is a word that comes from european cartographers. The United States of America comes from the 17 hundreds. There was not a single signer of the declaration or a ratifier of the Constitution even until 1912. People who we call Native Americans, which is a term born out of the 1960s, did not have citizenship. They were not members. They were not even.

Think about the constitution.

I think the Constitution is one of the greatest legal documents.

Do you really?

Absolutely.

So what's the first. What's. Let's go through it, Rob. Just pull it up. Let's pull up the constitution. Go for it.

I think it outlines a government that has been very effective, a government which allowed America to go from a series of fledgling colonies to a continental empire.

Can you pull up the constitutional robbery? So what do you think about freedom of religion?

I am in favor of freedom of religion, especially in the context in which the founding Fathers wrote it. There was no large population of Muslims or Hindus in America at the time it was written. This was primarily written between different sects of Christianity.

So, meaning a lot's changed since then.

Some things have changed in terms of legislative policy, but not necessarily the proper ways to instill and defend a country.

How big was the muslim religion in 1776? Rob, can you google this? How big was the muslim religion? Religion. And these are people that are your heroes.

Thomas Jefferson went to war with muslim pirates.

I totally get. No, I totally get that. What I'm trying to find out is, you know, because if you're talking about you, you love the constitution. You love what it stands for.

I love its role as a document.

Whichever freedom of religion is a way saying that other religions can coexist and other religions could not be white, well.

Well, that's also important, because we had immigration policy made by the legislative branch outlined in the constitution, which for hundreds of years precluded immigration from places which were largely christian and largely european. And once that changes, it's much more difficult to say that Congress shall make no law about anything in particular.

Yeah, but it contradicts what you're saying. What you're saying is, if the constitution is a beautiful. Do you think George Washington was christian? I'm curious to know what your. Thomas Jefferson, you think he was a Christian?

Jefferson is commonly historically understood as a deist, so known as a deist, yes.

Okay, we're on the same page. Okay, where are you at with Benjamin Rush?

Benjamin Rush. I would assume he was also a Christian.

Okay.

I'm not familiar exactly with his religious beliefs.

So freedom of speech, great freedom of assembly.

I practice that.

Freedom of religion opens it up.

So maybe make no law. I agree with that. The government itself should not adopt an official religion religion.

I know, but what that does do is then maybe what you to be congruent with your beliefs, then maybe it is. I think they screwed up when they put freedom of religion.

I don't really know.

But then that attracts Muslims, that attracts.

Others who come here was not with the constitution, but with the immigration policy. Immigration policy was opened up in 1965, not 1784.

What's your point?

The point is that immigration policy allowed for all of these different people.

And the reason Muslim wasn't here here prior to that, not. You think other religions weren't here prior to that?

Not in any significant quantity.

Oh, it's not about significant, of course.

Not enough to make a difference.

I get that. But compounding effect. No, I think, I think to be fully congruent with where you're at, the part that may make sense is white first, coal, because that's your priority. It's not to. When you tell somebody America first, like you tell so Elon Musk, do you consider him american?

I would say it can be argued if he's fully assimilated, given his cultural history. You could say yes. You could say no.

So he's not born here. He's from South Africa. But because he's white, he's american.

To you, he is of a nation, which is the South Africans who are from the Netherlands. And America has more in common with the Netherlands than it does a place like Japan.

I totally get that.

And I understand you say I should say white first.

No, it's not. You should say, you can say whatever you want to say. This is America freedom of speech. But I think based on the way you're presenting your ideas, I don't think you're America first. I think you're white first, is what you are, because it's not even, you're not even christian.

Go ahead.

So it's not the denomination where, you know, I would have said, if you're America first, I think Trump is America first.

Yes.

I think Musk is America first.

Okay.

I think Rogan is America first.

I have nothing against these people.

No, what I'm saying to you is I think a lot of these guys are America first. You know, me being from Iran, I think I'm from America first. I'm a supportive of this, but I think there's a difference between what America first means versus yours, which is more specific to skin color and origin where they come from.

Did you know that Charles Lindbergh, who originally coined the term America first with the America First Committee, had beliefs in race and naturalization much more similar to mine than any of the people you listed?

He may have, but that doesn't mean that's. If you ask the average person.

I'm talking about the origins of a first.

No, but there's a difference. So you're saying Trump has that position?

I am saying Trump has his own unique positions, not all of which I.

Agree with, of course. That's kind of like saying I, you know, the same book written vault is written by 20 different people. That doesn't mean that if I write the book vault is the same as the first guy that wrote the book vault. No, that doesn't. That's not what that means.

And when I think.

I think Trump, like Trump, is thinking about choosing Tim Scott as a VP, you probably would lose your mind if Tim Scott is the VP.

I don't know or have any raw our large opinion on Tim Scott.

But he's black, though, that. That's not America first.

I didn't know he was black until you just told me.

Yeah, Tim Scott is black. So for.

Very good for him.

Yeah, but it's not about good for him or not. That would be against Patriot Front, that you and your community wouldn't be okay with that.

When you were speaking with Vivek, you talked about how Ann Coulter believed that Vivek would not get her vote for president.

Sure.

Because he's the children of immigrants and he is very culturally distinct. I think that is. That is an opinion held by a very large percentage.

I don't disagree.

Of the conservative. Enough of a percentage to make a difference politically.

And enough or not enough?

Enough.

Okay. Good opinion.

Enough that I think it needs to be weighted. And when you're talking about. When I say America. Yeah, I love the history of America. I love the culture of America.

And I will like the freedom of religion because I kind of screwed it up a little bit.

I do not. What do you believe I endorse that's against it?

Because if you. If. If they would have said only Christianity.

I don't agree with that.

But what I'm saying to you is the moment you say freedom of religion.

Yes.

You attract whites, blacks, Middle Easterns, Asian, Japanese, Muslim, you know, anything and everything to come here because they wrote that.

And then hundreds of years afterwards, and.

They screwed up in your.

Was restricted, then you.

They screwed up in your.

People who wrote that also made a mistake. Naturalization laws. Yes.

Okay, so they made a mistake. So that's what.

Well, not they made a mistake, but people hundreds of years later made a mistake.

Well, not necessarily. If they say freedom of religion, then maybe they weren't paranoid enough to think that freedom of religion could open it up to other religions from different sects and communities to come to America.

When they passed the Immigration act of 1965, I believe Lyndon B. Johnson said it would not significantly transform the demographics of the United States. We know that that's false. And when they wrote the Constitution, when they include the First Amendment in there, they are primarily talking about preventing religious disputes among a people which was largely homogeneous and of european descent. You can look into the works of Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, and they all believe this.

I understand that. I understand where you're at. I understand your position. I think the audience gets to decide to say, okay, this guy is not necessarily America first. He's maybe white first, or some people are going to say, no, I think he is this. They're going to make that decision for themselves. Candace Owens, you've said a few things.

About Candace O. Mentioner. Yes.

Would you be comfortable with her becoming the president of United? Would you vote for if she.

I don't think she has opinions analogous to mine, and I don't think the president of the United States should be of her cultural background.

So the president of the United States should be of the cultural background?

Well, you should be american.

Yes, she is. By some people's definition, that goes to skin.

Well, it goes to cultural experience.

Give me a black american in your eyes.

I don't think there are any.

That's the point. So that skin, that's where you're going. Race is not skin deep, but I understand that.

But to me, race is an experience of which has all sorts of ramifications, sociologically, demographically, economically, culturally, religiously, even linguistically.

Well, I'm telling you what today did is everyone now knows who you are.

I'm glad.

Yeah. Everyone now knows who you are and what your position is. Yes, this is good for you. Now they know. And by the way, you know, some people are gonna be like, I like this guy. And I think there's a. Believe it or not, I think there's a community of people like you that are out there the same way when you said, I think there's enough of people like Ann Coulter in America.

Sure.

I think there is, but I think some people also say they're also holding America back.

Nationalism is going to be a part of the political landscape no matter what anybody does, because I believe it's rooted in the innate feelings of human beings.

What do you think about Obama, by the way, when Obama became president, were you doing backflips, celebrating that we have a black president?

I was not in favor of him. I was very young. I was in middle school or perhaps elementary school.

He's not one of the guys that you're in favor of. That would drive you insane.

I don't think Obama did a very good job as president.

So then who at that young age made you believe that role? Did they say anything about blacks that you.

My parents did not influence me largely politically. I think my parents did a good job of raising me, but I will not place my political beliefs on them.

I get that. But for that to be injected at a young age, someone influenced that. And that's all I'm saying. For somebody to have these deep rooted beliefs like this. And I understand when you get to a point where you don't want to get your parents involved or anything else, sure. This does. Somebody doesn't just wake up one day and say, yeah, he's, you know, well.

It was a process that took years, because when I. In 20.

How are you right now? You're October 2098. You said, what year were you born?

October 20, 1990.

Okay, so, so when I was.

If I could help you out with.

Right. 2004. He talks at the DNC. So 2008. I know you weren't. But in zero eight, he becomes president. You're ten years old. There's only one way that influence is going to be there. It's probably from parents.

I was not following politics at the age when I was in maybe 2014, 2013, I was not politically minded at all. Like you said. I was the kid, like you described, just doing things. And then when 2015, 2016 comes around, I start learning more about politics. I start interacting with more people who have all sorts of different opinions online. I start. And eventually with Trump, I start interacting with a lot of people that like Trump or that dislike Trump. And I find out more of what I believe by interacting with people who believe different things. You know, you sometimes you don't know you don't like something until somebody presents you with it and you find out, well, that's not really who I am. And then after a few years, and ultimately, I got caught up in Charlottesville as somebody who wasn't super familiar with a lot of the things going on. And I found out a lot of what I didn't like. But I also found out that there's something in patriotism, there's something in nationalism that's worth having. It's just. It wasn't there at the moment.

Would you ever marry a black woman?

No.

Okay. Middle Eastern?

No.

Armenian? Assyrian?

I want my children to look like me.

Okay. So. Got it. You want your children to.

I think that's a very understandable opinion.

I don't. I don't know a lot of people. There's people that. There's. There's a. There's a guy that goes viral all the time, and he wants blacks to only marry blacks. I don't have a problem with that. I got a Manek yesterday from somebody whose parents are armenian and she is dating a black guy, and her parents want her to marry an armenian guy. And I can understand that. I don't have a problem with that. But going back to it.

Yes.

You would be more white for first, not America first. There's a big difference.

Americans are one of the sovereign nations of the european race. Just like somebody who believes that Iranians should only marry Iranians. Would you say that he was Arab first?

What big name today in America agrees with you?

I would say that there are people who have individual opinions. If I'm going to point somebody who believes everything I believe.

No, no. Just a specific thing about to say. I'm not comfortable with Candace Owens being a president. I'm not okay with a Tim Scott being a vice president. I'm not okay.

Put them on the ballot and you'll find out how many.

Not about finding. Oh, are you kidding me? Like you, you're. We learned how many people did that when Obama won an OAS. Yeah, but what I'm saying to you is I don't disagree that there isn't a sect with you. Yes, but I think your community is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Smaller, not bigger.

I think your community political landscape is opening up.

You think so?

There's a lot of people. You know, when you talk to Tucker Carlson, you asked him what America was, and he said, america is a people. It's a place and experience. I'm not saying he agrees with me on everything, but he also said that if you change, if you take all the people in America and you replace them with somebody else, it is no longer America. I think that it's a very common opinion. I think that it's a very deeply felt opinion. I'm a long. A lot of I'm actually.

I'm actually with a lot of what he's saying there. I actually agree with him. I'm not. When I came to America, I feel I had to earn the right to come to this great country. It gave me incredible benefits. I owe to America. I don't think America owes me anything. Nothing. I came here and I had 195 other options. Why did we choose America then? We could have gone to Africa. We could have gone to Russia. We could have gone to, at the time, Yugoslavia. We could have gone to. Why did we come? We owe America. This is why I served in the military. But I think the difference between you and Tucker, you've quoted a lot of people.

Yes.

You've quoted Tucker. You've quoted Ann Coulter. You've quoted Candace Owens. Ann Coulter dated Dinesh D'Souza. Okay, sure. That's Candace Owens. I think she's black.

I'm telling you where she is.

And Tucker Carlson gets along with practically anybody, and it's not.

I would like to think I'm getting along with you.

I don't think it's about along the differences. Like, I don't think. I don't think a Tucker would want somebody to become a president based on their skin color and being white first. I think America. Tucker would want somebody to become president.

Race is not purely skin color. Race is a broader aspect of the human experience.

I get that, but I mean, listen, Candace Owens is as american as apple pie, and Candace Owens is black.

She is black.

You would be uncomfortable with her being a president. I ask you a few. Whatever. Marry somebody. No. Okay, cool. There's the fact that you're uncomfortable to say white first. You know, you shouldn't. You should be comfortable with it.

America is a nation, which is a part of what you see as the white race.

Yeah.

And I want.

I don't mind people. I married a white girl from. From here I am. She. I think she. We did ancestry, and I think she's british. So. So. So I married a white girl that you would support of, you know, you know where she's from. But to me.

Me, I don't support somebody automatically because they are a member of my nation. I support people because of matters of their character and matters of their deed.

That what it sounds like, though. It's not what it sounds.

It absolutely is.

It's not what it sounds like.

I think we should be able to have a country if the immigration policy that you're talking about, where it's largely restricted to merit, you would believe it should be a meritocracy. And people who have something to bring to the country should be let in.

Right.

If that was in practice for the last hundred years, do you think the country would be whiter or less white.

100 years ago and back to 1924? Sure. If that would have been practice, would it be wider? I don't know.

So we're only letting in people who could do something that you did?

Yeah, probably. If you allowed it based on what they did. I don't know. The educational system in Japan is incredible.

Okay.

I think when I came to America from Iran, I schooled you guys in math. No, but wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

No, no, but wait a minute. When I came here in 7th grade, I was shell shocked of how pathetic the math was in America. At 7th grade, I laughed at Americans. And so, you know, go look at how many Persians, Iranians, job creators, what they do. Are you kidding me? They're all over the place when it comes down to business. Business. So bring Japanese, bring Indians, the highest paid, you know, Indians in America. Can you pull up, Rob, which immigrants in America make the more. Make more money than actual whites? This is actually the direction you went. Wait a minute. Let me just show this to you. So if you can pull this up, Rob, where it shows there's a statistic, income inequality. If you can't find it, Rob, I'll find it. It shows which ethnic immigrants make the most money. And whites are at $65,000. Indians are at a $129,000. So do I think America would be better if they attracted more Indians? They kick white people's ass. I mean, if that's the part, and.

I'm not even indian, that I believe all these, in. What you're talking about, is more the immigration that's coming from the visa programs and not necessarily the southern border.

Well, I'm not for illegal immigration. I'm not sitting here saying, we do illegal immigration. That's not where I'm coming from. From.

But that landed on the moon. I think they can have their own engineers. There's no reason that these people need to come here, especially not in such great numbers that it's transforming american communities.

Yeah, but that part, what you just asked is when you said if from 1924 till today.

Yes.

If we, you know, followed guidelines, would America be whiter? Or this numbers, specific data. Highest paid immigrants in America. Okay. Ethnicity. There is a chart which we've done an episode on this. Brandon, if you're watching, I found it. Okay, here we go. And. Da da da da da. You got to see this. Because I think this will be good stuff for you to take a look at. At the top, since I'm talking about fries.

The largest growing demographic group in the country is coming from south of the border. There isn't a single country of that nationality on this list.

No, you're.

You're maybe at the very bottom.

Check this out. Indian number one. You probably. You're uncomfortable when it says Indian Americans.

What percentage of the country right now has.

Hang on. Let me kind of go through this here.

First, I was asking a demographic.

Indian Americans, 100,000. Filipinos, 83. Taiwanese, sri lankan, japanese, malaysian, chinese, pakistani whites, white. First they're eight place, then you got the average American. No, but you. This. Because I know white is important, too. So white Americans are there.

The cultural experience of being.

But what? No, but you said. You asked me a question.

I understand.

Question was, if we would have followed the guidelines. If I see this right here, you know what I would say? I'd love to get more indian engineers here. Are you kidding me? We hire a bunch of them. They're brilliant. So, whatever. You know, the IIT Institute engineers destroyed. The MIT Institute engineers, their educational system on how they. There's a video documentary that was done that got engineers graduating from IIT. I don't know how familiar you are with Iit versus mit. Okay, then you ought to take a look at this, because our educational system is weak. It's not strong. Indians come in here, they make us better. Educational system from Japan make us better. Middle Easterns come in here with the math. From Iran, they make us better. What's wrong with that? I mean, if America wasn't able to use some of those resources. What I'm against is leaving the border open. Guys come left and right. They just found six people who are on the terrorist list. That's come in the last two. What was the number six or 14 rap? Do you remember six. Six that have come last two years on the terrorist list because we've left the border open.

No one's for that.

If we could. Because I asked you a question about what the total demographics would look like when we pulled up that list. The largest percentage making up groups from Africa and south of the border from latin american countries was at the bottom. And again, I'm not saying those are bad people, but I'm saying we need to question why our immigration policy allows mostly those types of.

That's a fair question.

We shouldn't be afraid to point out that these various groups are coming from different places that are different.

But this destroys your argument, what percentage.

Of the present day United States population is from India or the Philippines? That would be a very excellent question, because if you subtract that.

But let me ask. Okay, so let's just say, what does.

The demographics look like?

But no, no. Then if. Do you not want more Indians and Filipinos who send their best people?

I think India and the Philippines are perfectly functioning countries, and they need all of their engineers. Me being an American isn't about making money. Being an American is about a unique experience. If the Philippines or if India was going to be 52% european, I would think that was just as bad as if America was going to be 52% of all of these groups you list here. And it's not only that, but it's that the groups that are composing the largest growing demographic percentage you will see are actually a net negative in terms of taxes.

You know when you get triggered.

What's that?

Do you know when you got triggered? You're gonna go back and watch this because your guy's recording it, right? Graham is recording it. You know when you got triggered?

I would. I believe I am having a civil discussion.

Oh, no, no. By the way, let me tell you, you're way more respectful than I thought you were going to be, and I'm actually enjoying the conversation.

Thank you.

So. I'm not. I'm not. If somebody asked me and said how you were, I'm not gonna say, he's an asshole. No.

Good.

Am I gonna say he is? You know. You know, whatever the question, that's not a feeling I got. But I will say the moment I said white first, your body energy changed.

All of it, because I believe it's a mischaracterization of my view of the nation.

Yeah, that's okay. Let the audience decide on what that is. But to me, I don't have any problem with people who have your position. Others can disagree with it and be like, okay, great. Yeah. He doesn't think a black person should be a president. No problem. He doesn't think the Middle Eastern should be president.

I think Americans are white, and white people should be president. President in America.

That's why I think you're white first.

And other countries can make those decisions.

You're right. But that's your position. Just stick to it. That's my. You can say, I believe I'm white first, not America first. Those are two different distinctions.

But Americans are white.

Yeah.

Not all white people are american.

And you would never want a black American who's born here to be the president. And you would never want a middle eastern person who's born here to be president.

Being born here doesn't mean make you american.

Okay, so then, then you change what the founding fathers who wrote it, then you can say they were fools.

Their immigration policy.

Finally we're getting it to the bottom of it that, rob, these. These founding fathers made a lot of mistakes with this.

No, no. Was proper. Yeah, it was good. Well, they just didn't.

They just didn't know who was going to make more babies over the next 200 years.

Making more babies doesn't mean you get to have my country.

Yeah, but. But your, but your country. The way it created a constitution allowed for the people to come here because of the guidelines that they have.

The constitution didn't outline immigration policy because that is under the realm of the legislative branch of government.

Right.

The issue began with the Immigration act.

In 1965, but the founders created the structure in a way that allowed the legislative or Congress.

Yes, yes, that's fine.

That's on them. Then. Then, then that's the point where they.

Create founders messed up by making a.

Based on your position, not mine. Based on what you think. I think what the founders built is ridiculous. I think what the paper. What they built is absolutely insane. And I am super grateful for the way they built it. This is why I believe I'm America first. I would have no problem with somebody who is. I'm not born here. Right. What? According to our constitution, I can't run for office. I respect that. Totally get it. Makes sense to me because I wasn't born here. According to the laws that they have. I get why they would do that. Because if you don't, if somebody all of a sudden from the outside comes in and they want to take over and destroy this great nation, they would. That was the right way.

They thought country was built with a context of naturalization. That I believe.

Right.

You can point first. Sure.

Yeah.

Then you and every single european nation has practiced this policy for thousands of years.

Now we're talking and this ends up.

My opinions have been the same.

I know they have been the same. This is just more messaging for you because it's confusing some of the people on the America first side because they're putting you as America first. So whatever the journalists are writing, they should change the verbiage instead of America first because it's more white first. That's all I'm saying.

They should understand what I believe, America.

I think they will. And by the way, I think. I think, believe it or not, I think you've done a phenomenal job presenting your position of where you're at. Kudos to you. It's very obvious where you're at. And the audience now doesn't have any, what do you call it, questions to say, okay, maybe he's not fed, he's white first. Maybe he's not this, but he's.

Maybe they don't have questions. Or if they do, they know where to find me.

Yeah. There you go. Okay. Fantastic. Well, Thomas, appreciate you for coming out. What I do respect more than anything else is an individual that's willing to come and answer the question questions and is respectful about it. And you've been like that from the beginning to the end. And I value that a lot. It's one of those things we value a lot in our family. And I don't care whether you're white, black, asian, or any of that stuff. I enjoy the conversation.

Thank you very much.

Anytime. Take care.

It's been a pleasure.

Take care, everybody. Bye.